[ TOPIC: DIVORCE ]
by [simply me]

Till death do us part ...

...to have and to hold from this day forward for better or for worse, for richer for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish as long as we both shall live...

ikaw ba ay ayon na ito ay susundin kahit na ang iyong ikamamatay ay ang pambubogbog ng iyong asawa?

ikaw ba ay ayon na ito ay susundin kahit na ang sakit na kanyang dinadala ay dahil sa kanyang pam-babae?

ikaw ba ay ayon na ito ay susundin kahit na ang inyong paghihirap ay dahil sa kanyang paniniwala na di nya kailangan mag hanapbuhay para sa inyong pamilya?

hanggang kailan, hanggang saan ang sinumpaan sa simbahan?

DIBORSYO... kailan nagiging sagot sa sumpang binitiwan?




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  • Reader Blogger Mec said…

    sa paniniwala ko kasi... yang mga words na yan, ideally binibitiwan lang ng mga taong SANE and HEALTHY (both in body, mind and spirit)

    anyway... naiintindihan ko ang rewards ng diborsyo... pero para sakin ha, hindi nya pa naa-outweigh yung resulting damage to families and children's psyche

    siguro nga, hindi yung diborsyo yung me kasalanan... siguro lang, karamihan eh kulang sa follow up :)

     
  • Reader Blogger MrsPartyGirl said…

    siguro nga, hindi yung diborsyo yung me kasalanan... siguro lang, karamihan eh kulang sa follow up :)

    mec, at yung mga nag-aasawa na hindi nag-iisip :D

     
  • Reader Blogger Beatrice Margarita V. Lapa said…

    tama si mspartygirl. pero may times kasi na iba ang pakita ng tao pag hindi pa asawa. nakikilala mo lang naman kadalasan ang tao pag magkasama na kayo sa isang bahay. swerte na lang kung nagpaka-totoo yung asawa mo bago kayo nag-asawa.

    sa palagay ko nakakasira din ng psyche ng bata ang makitang binubugbog at inaabuso ang nanay niya. most abusive husbands don't care if the kid can see it. either matu-trauma yung bata, or lalaki siyang iniisip na tama ang mang-bugbog ng babae.

     
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by the rules...
by [simply me]

i always lived by the rules. (oh well, i think so...) kaya naman bago pa kame mag pakasal ng aking asawa, nag set na ko ng rules. :p

1. di ako pwede bugbugin.
2. di pwede ang extra marital affairs.

pag yan e di sinunod, good bye na. wala ng paliwanagan pa. reason ko para dyan ay....
1. di ako napagbuhatan ng kamay ng mga magulang ko kaya walang karapatan ang iba na pagbuhatan ako ng kamay. in the first place ako ay hindi isang punching bag!
2. kung lalaki anak ko ayaw ko mambabae o mambugbog sya ng asawa. kung babae naman, ayaw ko isipin nya na ok lang mabugbog o nambabae ang asawa.

ok lang saken na hindi i-divorce (gives us the right to marry again), dahil wala na ko balak mag asawa uli. alang alang na ren sa mga anak ko. at kung nanbubugbog/nambabae asawa ko, dapat lang na di na sya makapag asawa ulit. pero, talagang ipaglalaban ko ang legal separation. never ako makikisama uli sa asawa ko kung ako e na jombag na or sya e nakalabit na ng iba.
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The Buck Stops Here
by [miuccia tarquin]

My loyalty to my husband stops as soon as he:

a) hurt me physically, with intent
b) gives me a sexual disease which he got outside our marriage
c) falls in love with someone else
d) starts doing drugs
e) becomes a womanizer (&/or starts having another family)

Divorce will always be an option to me because it is the easiest way out of a marriage called DISASTER. I am not willing to stay in a union which makes everybody unhappy. I love my kids so much & I owe it to them to be honest on the state of their parents' union.

I'd much rather raise them alone (or share the raising of the kids with my husband separately) than let them grow up thinking its acceptable for them to behave in any of the following examples I gave. To stay in the marriage is to tolerate it. & I am not the person to do that.

Of course, it is a given that we will try counseling, therapy, temporary separation, etc first before we take the big D.
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  • Reader Blogger Christine said…

    amen to everything you said!

     
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Marriage is Hard Work
by [jen]

I admire people who have been married a long time and still manage to hold hands or give each other a peck on the cheek just because.

But sometimes, life is not so easy and not everyone is blessed with holding hands and pecking on the cheek.

Sometimes, each day you wake up, you are beaten up by your husband not even physically but emotionally. Sometimes, it's just hard to wake up each day trying to come up with ways to avoid the abuse that you know will come your way.

Left and right people who have the money are actually getting annulments even for the smallest things. Celebrities are annuling their marriage simply because they have the money to do so. I know annulment is different because they can't get married in the church (for catholics anyway), but isn't it the same as divorce? Haven't we been tolerating people who have resorted to annulment and put aside the sanctity of marriage just because they want to get out of it?

Have they got good reason to be apart from each other? How do we know if they even worked hard to fully understand each other and not resort to annulment or divorce?

I am neither for divorce nor against it. I just feel that people should have the freedom to choose which path to take AS LONG AS all possible routes have been checked before they resort to dissolving their marriage.

Marriage is a sacrament and we should honor it. But I think God provides a loophole for those who are suffering and since God is good, he does not want people to be in an abusive
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  • Reader Blogger MrsPartyGirl said…

    kaya din i wish divorce would become available for everyone, mayaman o mahirap. kasi right now, the ones with can't afford an annulment procedure are the ones left to suffer a lifetime of abuse. and probably why, mas maraming poor wives who are in prison for killing their husbands... cant blame them because it's their last and only way out.

     
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E bakit pa nagpakasal...
by [the voodoo doll]

sa totoo lang nahirapan akong sagutin itong part na to... i may not had the chance to do what i want to say (suggest) pero ito e napag-isip isip ko din noon nung mabanggit sa kin ng ex-officemate ko...

According to her... halos sa parehong side ng mom and dad nya, d nag wowork ang first marriage... so she's somehow hesistant getting married and she's in favor of living-in with her partner.

Tama nga naman... living-in with your partner is like marriage without contract nga lang... but... in some ways... makakatulong ito... diba sabi nga nila.. d mo malamaman ang buong pagkatao ng isang tao kung d mo ito makakasama ng matagalan... iba yung bf-gf lang... d kayo natutulog sa iisang bubong... naghihiwalay pa din kayo at the end of the day... thus, give each of you your own space. This way... kung d mag work ang relationship... pwedeng maghiwalay... wala ng madami pang proseso... PERO... ibang usapan na syempre kung may anak na kayo...

Kung may anak ako.. gusto ko yung sa ikakabuti nya lagi... sa ngayon... hindi ko alam kung solusyon ba ang deborsyo... pero kung ang mga anak ko ang iisipin... kung nakikita naman kayo lagi ng mga anak nyo na nag-aaway o d nagkikibuan... it may have more impact to them kesa impact ng magkahiwalay na lang ng tuluyan ang mga magulang nila...

Nope... d kami nag live-in ng aking esposo... pero sa palagay ko tried and tested na ang pasensya naming dalawa kasi sa pag-aaway naman nag-umpisa ang aming magandang samahan ngayon... (*ang mushy naman*)
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  • Reader Blogger MrsPartyGirl said…

    bakit naging live-in ang usapan? hahaha! misis maldita, ikaw ba talaga yan? :D

     
  • Reader Blogger mEldita said…

    mama mia...

    gusto ko lang i-point out na d ako sang-ayon sa divorce... and as much as possible baka pwedeng gawan ng paraan before magpakasal para tried and tested ang samahan... naks.. nahawa na ata ako... <*wink! wink!*> read between the lines na lang (diba cata?)

    hehehe...

     
  • Reader Blogger simply me said…

    hehe. ituro ba ko! sandali di pa nga ako nagpo post e!

     
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Don't Block The Driveway
by [MrsPartyGirl]

As a Catholic, I knew that divorce was something you could go to hell for and that married couples should stay married until the day they die because God said so. I took that as canon. I think having parents who stuck with each other through thick and thin, further reinforced my belief. Also, Philippine law categorically prohibits divorce, so it's not even a legal option. It's safe to say, therefore, that I took the concept of divorce for granted and never really tried to grasp what divorce meant, why it was important, and when it would be considered as an imperative action, because I accepted being 'together forever' as the only way it was supposed to be.

And then I became a Feminist.

I learned that, to look at divorce narrowly as a means to end a "troubled" relationship is very simplistic. Also, to say that all the effects of divorce are evil, is putting it too extremely. Divorce serves a purpose, I think, and I will stand by my support of it, despite popular opinion.

Just to clarify, you might ask, why is 'annulment' accepted in Pinas when 'divorce' is not? Aren't they the same? Nope, they're not. An annulment is the termination of a marriage that was invalidly entered into in the first place. (For Filipinos, the bases for determining if a marriage is valid or not are spelled out in the Family Code of the Philippines). On the other hand, a divorce is the termination of a marriage that was validly contracted. Our legal system allows annulment for legal reasons, but does not allow divorce for emotional reasons.

On the one hand, I agree with the law's intention to safeguard the family. If abused and mismanaged, a divorce could cause great psychological damage to the members of the family (particularly, the children). However, my concern is: what if the marriage has deteriorated to the point that just staying in the marriage could cause further psychological, emotional, and physical damage to the family members? Or even death? What then would be the way out?

The concept of divorce was basically created as a solution to ease these forms of domestic disturbances. Men and women should have the right to seek any means necessary to live without fear, and to protect themselves from emotional and physical harm, as well as be legally entitled to financial compensation from the offending spouse.

So I agree to reject the absolute premise that all divorce inevitably damages children, in the same way that all intact families are sane and healthy. Truth is, a good divorce is better for children than a bad marriage. If so, can't this be considered pro-family, too, in any case?

As you can see, I support divorce only on issues regarding domestic violence, and as a last resort. I support counselling, rehabilitation, and second chances. I do not, however, support abuse, irresponsibility, and helplessness, like I do not support divorce as a tool to aid the whims of marrying couples who would use it as a license to marry and divorce as often as they want. (This, to me, shows gross immaturity, which justifies why they do not deserve to be married anyway.)

My husband would oppose me on this, of course. He believes that divorce should be eradicated from the face of the earth to give the couples a chance to work out their differences in a mature and pro-active manner. After all, they will be together for the rest of their lives, right? Besides, he says, it's the Catholic thing to do. So here we are, disagreeing like children (like we oftentimes do), but we try to work out our disagreements like adults (as best we can). I think his point is valid and he may be right, too. But I also say, not everyone is as lucky as we are to have mature and loving partners (and whom we have no wish to divorce whatsoever). If all couples resolve their differences this way, then maybe I'd relent.

Lastly, my great respect and admiration goes out to all the couples who stuck to each other through thick and thin despite the unblocked driveway. This means they chose to stay together on their own free will, and not because they couldn't leave. Love and respect should reign in a marriage, as it should always be.
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  • Reader Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Stupid post. And to think you're parents sent you to a catholic school or at least gave you a decent education.

    And feminism? Lols! How many times do women have to realize that feminish is bullshit. It's just a backlash of some women with crappy heads thinking it to themselves that they should aspire to levels to that of men.

    But all the crap aside.

    You try to give arguments why divorce is acceptable, you try to do a selective process of the ins and outs. But you forget common sense and practical application girl. With a mind like that I hope you don't get your marriage squashed. Seriously you should rethink it deeply.

    Marriage is a vow taken before God. Take note of the word BEFORE. Divorce brings nothing but ruin. You want proof?

    Look to the west. More than half of the families there break within 10 years and after ten more years a mere fraction of those families remain intact. That's proof you can't deny and I don't know if you can think of some alibi to negate that. Divorce is evil. Christ said so himself. It brings nothing but ruin. You don't solve a problem by introducing a breaking it.

    Every problem no matter how grave has a solution. There are some things in life that can never be solved with logic and reason only faith and belief. Going on the way out of a troubled marriage brings nothing but just a short cut to a problem which will affect not only you but also your children.

    Kumbaga sa tagalog at gagamit ng konting common sense.

    "Pwedeng hatiin ang inyong kasal at maghinwalay kau. Pero panu ang mga bata? Hahatiin din ba naten sila?"

    Common sense really.

     
  • Reader Blogger MrsPartyGirl said…

    dear anonymous, thank you for taking the time to share your point of view with us. this is exactly what this forum is for, right? to be able to share our opinion, as well as voice our disagreement, if any.

    as it is, i do not expect you to agree with everything that i said. if that is the way you feel ABOUT THE ISSUE OF DIVORCE, then i respect that. in fact, you and my husband share the same concern - the children. but, had you read my entry objectively, i did mention that i approve of divorce ONLY on grounds of domestic violence. my stand is the protection of the spouse and the children from all forms of violence, particularly if the source of this violence is the basic unit of society which is supposed to protect and love them. what family would we be talking about if a spouse is killed or the children are maimed and scarred for life?

    you said i should look to the west for proof. but hey, i am from the west. i live in the US. and here, i have seen FIRST HAND how a successful divorce has affected families POSITIVELY.

    but then again, i need not look too far. my own parents are the two loneliest, most emotionally battered people in the world - all because they stayed in a marriage for the sake of us, their kids. in the long run, they did nothing but cause each other pain and frustration, and these things greatly affected myself and my siblings. for instance, it took my husband to make Me trust in love and believe in marriage again. my siblings have yet to heal. and now that we are much older, my parents have decided to live apart and i have to tell you that i've never seen them happier, more free. and they are good friends, which they never were when they were married.

    so you see, i did use common sense when i wrote this post. i also used an OPEN and MATURE mind when i formed my opinion. and, although i respect your view about the issue of divorce, i believe you could have done a better job of phrasing your criticism constructively.

    God did not make the world in the shape of a box, so I believe we shouldn't live in a box. I believe He made the world a sphere, with no corners or boundaries, so that we can be free to think, to find out, and to decide how we can best enter His kingdom. in this sense, He has kept the driveway open for us - and so should you.

     
  • Reader Anonymous Anonymous said…

    hi di ko alam gaano na katagal post na to. makasabat lang po.

    for anonymous
    i like what you said "Every problem no matter how grave has a solution".
    but doesn't seem to work for me. I am in a crisis at moment that's why i ended up in this blog.
    My marriage is in trouble and i really like to get a divorce but I am a catholic and brought up in a loving & conservative clan and no history of family separation so I am afraid that this will cause the family a wee bit of problems as well.
    But things unbearable (I have experienced seeing the stars(ika nga) resulted to bruises. He's doing drugs and have other woman. He's even proud to say if di ko gusto pinaggagawa nia I am free to F*3k off. Buti wala pa kaming anak. His family is aware of this and I have mentioned to them I am thinking of divorce surprisingly they do support me. (lam nila gaano kalala situation)Even his family walang magawa ilan beses na rin sia nakausap.
    Maybe curious nakakabasa bakit ako nagpakasal? FYI wala po lahat yan before tieng the knot.
    This started when I was offered a job somewhere and weekends lang kami nagkikita (and maybe insecurities nia sa sarili nia na I have better career than him) Though something I do avoid to talk about dahil ayokong ma-insecure sia. Anyway its his idea rin na iaccept ko ang job coz will give us great future.

    There might be a solution but the problem is, his willingness to change which he pointed out 'No Way ' will you tell me now will I just accept all of this?

    anonymous2

     
  • Reader Blogger TheDivineMissM! said…

    Dear Anonymous 2 (dahil walang kwentang kausap si Anonymous 1)

    I hope you find your way back to this post and read my comment.

    I can really understand your concern about your family. When my marriage hit the pits, one of the reasons that kept me from packing my bags was dreading having to tell my family and friends - especially my dad. Not because of the drama, but because I know how deeply he will be hurt that I will have to go through separation and divorce and all that. After I handled my situation, my family and my best friend said the same thing - if we only knew what you were going through, we would have helped you packed your bags if that is what you wanted to do.

    Because at the end of the day, our family loves us. What they will want for us is a better life. And above all happiness. I am quite sure your father, and your mother, and your sister, and brother, and best friend, and anyone who cares for you wouldn't want you to living the rest of your life with a man who tells you to fuck off.

    You know what is right for you, and you know that you deserve better than how you are being treated now. For that I applaud you. So many people have spent so much love on others that they forgot to save some for themselves.

    Anonymous 1, if you knew that your sister, your best friend, even a casual acquaintance is being treated the way you are suffering right now, what would you tell her? What do you think would be in the best for the mental and emotional well-being of that person?

    Then give yourself the same advice, because as someone who is created in God's image, you know what you deserve.

    Eto ay para na rin kay Anonymous 1 - marriage kamo is a vow before god. Sinadya kong hindi uppercase yan kasi hindi ko alam ko sino ang dios mo. Because my God does not tolerate His children, His creation, the ones created in His image to be treated badly, especially by people who also took the same vows. So I believe that when His child Anonymous 1, is being disrespected then I am sure my God wouldn't turn around and say, "Oh no you promised!"

    The same way you gave MrsPartyGirl advice, eto naman ang sa yo - sana nga ay di ka maging miserable sa iyong marriage, so that you never have to face the situation where the only way to save your sanity is divorce. I am sure maloloka ka.

     
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hiwalay kung hiwalay!
by [marie]

... ang puti sa de-kolor pag naglalaba. kasi mahahawa ang mga puti.. hihihi

i do believe that deciding to get married is no joke. a lot of things, whether physical, social, emotional, pschological, change after saying 'I do'. so people need to be prepared to enter marriage, so as not to treat it lightly and later discard so easily.

as the bible says that the husband should love his wife as Christ loves the church. do you think Christ would beat up his beloved? or even inflict harm to the person God has gifted them to be their lifelong partner? ending the marriage will not solve the problem, cause if the person gets married to another person, the same cycle will continue. we have to deal with the root cause of why the marriage was not successful in the first place, and try to improve on that.

i never really did like the term 'irreconcileable differences'.... all people are different. but to say that you can not meet halfway despite your differences, means that you do not respect the uniqueness of your partner and do not like to find ways in order to be a complement to your partner but rather you are competing with your partner.

the solution here would be to keep people, who are halfhearted about getting married, from getting married. a guy who beats up his wife, is not psychologically mature or ready for marriage. a wife who files for divorce because his husband snores may not be mature enough to get married in the first place... my two cents...
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